what I'm not doing this weekend
Apr. 15th, 2015 10:53 amThis is the latest of several e-mails I've gotten from Symphony Silicon Valley:
Why, then, have I absolutely no desire to go? I accept almost any review assignment I'm given; why did I beg my editor not to send me to this one?
Because while I'd be happy to re-read Tolkien's 1200-page epic any time, I found Jackson's three movies a tiresome bore that I have no desire to sit through again. And the music? Look, after nearly half a century of listening to and studying this stuff I think I know good music when I hear it. And Shore's score is competent hackwork, turned out by the yard: it fills the space and does the job asked of it, and nothing more. Everything else it generates in the way of emotional response is by transference from the movie, and you have to love the movie for that to have any effect. If you don't love the movie, there's nothing there.
There's a claim going around that Tolkienists who hate the movies are nothing but a few cranks. That's not true. Five of the six or seven most distinguished Tolkien scholars in the world hate the movies so much they won't even talk about them. And the others aren't uncritical. At the Birmingham Tolkien Conference of 2005, the largest event to mix serious scholars of Tolkien with those of Jackson, the Jacksonists frequently complained about the near-universal dislike of the movies among the Tolkienists.
When fans of the books as devout as we find the movies so distasteful, I think that speaks eloquently to the profound differences in moral content, in storytelling approach, in aesthetic tastes, in fact in virtually everything except an outline of the plot, between Tolkien and Jackson. Say what you may about "the needs of Hollywood movie-making," that only reinforces the point: they're entirely different in spirit.
But what of those who do like both? For such do exist, in fair profusion. (Though not everyone who likes Jackson likes Tolkien. Many Jackson movie fans find the books a bore. That, too, speaks to the differences between books and movies.) I think they simply like two different things, where the rest of us like only one thing.
That shouldn't be a surprise. Ancillary taste differences among Tolkien fans are long-established. Some Tolkien fans like fan fiction; others don't. Some like parodies (I'm one of those); others don't. Some like the fantasy epics that have come along in Tolkien's wake; others don't. Some like Tolkien's colleagues the Inklings (I'm one of those, too); others don't. In no case does the one impinge on the other. Neither does it with the movies. If this appeals to you, go: have a good time. But include me out.
After the breath-taking, sold-out presentation at Lincoln Center in New York City, Peter Jackson's film trilogy of J.R.R. Tolkein's epic of Middle Earth and one small hobbit's quest to destroy the Ring of Power comes to San Jose, with Howard Shore's immortal score performed live by over 250 all-local musicians. Never before has an American orchestra attempted this monumental feat, and the results are stunning. This is not an event to miss.You know I'm a lifelong Tolkien fan. (I even know how to spell his name.) I read The Hobbit when I was eleven years old, and The Lord of the Rings soon after. My life in the appreciation of art and the interaction with culture has been spent more on Tolkien and on classical music than all other things together. Here's the two, combined, in a special rare event, with a friend of mine participating on stage.
Why, then, have I absolutely no desire to go? I accept almost any review assignment I'm given; why did I beg my editor not to send me to this one?
Because while I'd be happy to re-read Tolkien's 1200-page epic any time, I found Jackson's three movies a tiresome bore that I have no desire to sit through again. And the music? Look, after nearly half a century of listening to and studying this stuff I think I know good music when I hear it. And Shore's score is competent hackwork, turned out by the yard: it fills the space and does the job asked of it, and nothing more. Everything else it generates in the way of emotional response is by transference from the movie, and you have to love the movie for that to have any effect. If you don't love the movie, there's nothing there.
There's a claim going around that Tolkienists who hate the movies are nothing but a few cranks. That's not true. Five of the six or seven most distinguished Tolkien scholars in the world hate the movies so much they won't even talk about them. And the others aren't uncritical. At the Birmingham Tolkien Conference of 2005, the largest event to mix serious scholars of Tolkien with those of Jackson, the Jacksonists frequently complained about the near-universal dislike of the movies among the Tolkienists.
When fans of the books as devout as we find the movies so distasteful, I think that speaks eloquently to the profound differences in moral content, in storytelling approach, in aesthetic tastes, in fact in virtually everything except an outline of the plot, between Tolkien and Jackson. Say what you may about "the needs of Hollywood movie-making," that only reinforces the point: they're entirely different in spirit.
But what of those who do like both? For such do exist, in fair profusion. (Though not everyone who likes Jackson likes Tolkien. Many Jackson movie fans find the books a bore. That, too, speaks to the differences between books and movies.) I think they simply like two different things, where the rest of us like only one thing.
That shouldn't be a surprise. Ancillary taste differences among Tolkien fans are long-established. Some Tolkien fans like fan fiction; others don't. Some like parodies (I'm one of those); others don't. Some like the fantasy epics that have come along in Tolkien's wake; others don't. Some like Tolkien's colleagues the Inklings (I'm one of those, too); others don't. In no case does the one impinge on the other. Neither does it with the movies. If this appeals to you, go: have a good time. But include me out.
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Date: 2015-04-15 06:23 pm (UTC)However, I particularly loathed the films as an Englishwoman- they completely miss the point and leave out just about everything I perceive as being of huge importance, but that's the folklorist and English ruralist in me, I suppose.
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Date: 2015-04-15 06:30 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2015-04-15 08:56 pm (UTC)The single worst thing in the entire cycle was J-Gandalf socking J-Denethor in the teeth. That's the kind of thing whereby Saruman left the path of wisdom.
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Date: 2015-04-16 06:47 am (UTC)As though he didn't have enough to work with!
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Date: 2015-04-15 09:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-04-15 09:52 pm (UTC)Actually, Faramir explains it himself: "I am wise enough to know there are some perils from which a man must flee." It seems to me that, if you have here a weapon that could win the war, and those capable of wielding it shirk from it in fear, that conveys its malevolence and terror a lot more graphically than any amount of temptation.
Especially if it's thwarted temptation, for, in a typically Jackson move, having derailed the plot by his additions he has to haul it back onto the rails again to follow the book any further. Thus, you have the scene which baffles even the Jackson fans I've talked to, in which J-Faramir, having previously decided to take the Ring, inexplicably changes his mind and lets Frodo go.
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Date: 2015-04-15 10:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-04-15 11:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-04-16 09:44 am (UTC)But it's not just other characters who do this, but the Fellowship as well. Frodo losing his nerve and sending Sam away (I think this is in movie #3). In movie #2 there's Legolas having a nervous breakdown. I bet most viewers have forgotten this, but it's there. Aragorn has to tell him to buck up. (Aragorn has a similar if less emotionally charged detour when he falls off the cliff.)
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Date: 2015-04-15 09:28 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2015-04-16 12:41 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-04-16 02:20 am (UTC)I thought a lot of the visuals were nice, but - in relation to your taste metaphor - in response to a "half a loaf" argument I once characterized the LOTR movies as a poisoned glass of milk. All the nutrients are still there, but it's not good to drink.
Contrary to your feeling that Jackson shows Middle-earth as vast, I see his geographic vision as small and cramped compared to Tolkien's. Two specific instances:
1) Saruman following the Fellowship on his palantir as early as Caradhras. This is supposed to be howling wilderness! The wargs may have provided a clue, but the enemies shouldn't know where they are, or even that they are.
2) In The Hobbit, the sight of the landscape at the Eagle rescue. It looks as if the Eagles could easily fly the Company all the way to the Mountain, and indeed some viewers have indignantly asked why they don't.
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Date: 2015-04-17 05:09 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-04-15 11:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-04-16 09:35 am (UTC)No, it earned this evaluation. Shore isn't bad, exactly, but Tolkien deserves something better than a competent hack. Jackson, by contrast, is no hack but a genius in his way; yet, in Tolkien, neither is he competent.