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I come home from seeing the stage musical of Little Women to find this debate going on in Andrew Sullivan's blog over the movie Love Actually: here and here, best in that order. (Sullivan is erratic about dropping pieces behind a paywall, so I hope you can see them.)

Some people think the movie is the most romantic ever, a real tribute to the forms and varieties of love; others find it repulsive and even nasty. I only saw the movie once, when it was new: I enjoyed it, but mostly because I'm a sucker for intricate, interweaving storylines. But though I didn't loathe it, I certainly didn't find it an affecting depiction of love in any sense.*

And, after reading those posts and thinking about them, I realized: People who love Little Women speak of it with the same kind of cherishing passion that the defenders of Love Actually have for that movie. But while there are certainly people who find Little Women merely dull or boring, so far as I know it doesn't generate polarizing detestation as Love Actually does.

As for me, I can't claim to be a true devotee of Little Women. Despite the number of times I've seen its movies, I'd half forgotten the story and couldn't even have named all the sisters offhand. But Little Women does for me exactly what Love Actually tries but fails to do. The movies and stage show of Little Women really do make me cry, whereas I had no feeling for the characters of Love Actually at all. Little Women really is all about love, in all its forms and varieties. Romantic love plays a major part, yes, but the real center of the story is in sisterly love and parental love. There's also generous helpings of true friendship, neighborly love, charitable love, love of one's work, even love of country (in the men going off to war and the women's home ec projects undertaken to support the war effort, all done from a sense of deep moral obligation). That's quite a lot, and it's all stirred together.

Whereas Love Actually - well, it says it's about all kinds of love, and it does cover familial love and friendship, though not very affectingly - but the vast majority of it is romantic love. And it seems to spend most of its time defining romantic love as "sexual lust for someone you hardly know." And it shows people in the grip of this passion betraying romantic commitments they've already made - if that bond means so little to you, what will this new one mean? - and betraying friendship and family as well, undercutting any point that the other threads of the story are trying to make. One of the movie's defenders admires it for showing that people in love will do stupid things. But that's not all that they do. And the stories, though they're intertwined in the narration, don't really intersect each other, and they don't hang together. The Prime Minister finds his political courage because he's in lust for the tea girl? What? There's nothing organic about this; it doesn't flow or follow. Everything in Little Women is completely organic, even in the abbreviated movies. And that's why the one affects me and the other doesn't.

*There is one place where Love Actually is affecting. One writer in Sullivan's blog says "I defy anyone not to be moved [by] the last minute or so, where the filmmakers simply show real people meeting loved ones at the airport." I agree. And you know why that's moving? Because it is real people really showing the warmth of love. It shows up the rest of the movie as the artificial construct that it is, that even fine actors can't overcome. I felt the same way about Schindler's List. I spent most of that movie seething at the cold, crafty (in the worst sense), artificial manipulativeness of Spielberg's storytelling. Then comes the closing scene where the real survivors pass by and place stones on the real Schindler's grave. That was moving.

Date: 2013-12-29 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com
I can take or leave Love Actually--I agree with your postscript about its best moment being at the end. I never saw the Spielberg movie, and don't intend to.

This new play sounds good, though.

Date: 2013-12-29 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
It's not that new. It was on Broadway 9 years ago. B. already had the cast album. I might have been the one who bought it for her, though if so I've forgotten doing so, but I would have done it for the same reason I got tickets for this production: Little Women + musical theatre = perfect present for B.

I'm sorry you're not in our area to see this production. B. says the songs are better than on the Broadway cast album.

Date: 2013-12-29 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com
Oh, yeah, me too. I know I'd really enjoy it.

Date: 2013-12-29 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whswhs.livejournal.com
One of the oldest relationship warnings, which has come to make increasing sense to me, is that the person who is part of a couple, but who will have an affair with you, cannot be expected to act differently when you and they have formed a new couple.

Date: 2013-12-29 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
Absolutely. That would be a big warning sign for me also. But then, I was never interested in breaking into anyone else's relationship, and that's why. How would I feel if someone tried it on mine?

Date: 2013-12-29 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surliminal.livejournal.com
I cannot understand how anyone finds Lov Actually a good film - only the Rickman Thompson scenes have any emotional depth. Theyre also the only scenes with any real pain in them which is no coincidence.

Date: 2013-12-29 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
And they only create pain because Rickman's character is a selfish, unloving creep. I cannot see any love here.

Date: 2013-12-29 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surliminal.livejournal.com
She loves him : truely madly deeply. I do think he loves her as well actually - we do not love because we deserve to. But it is certainly not a film. I like overall. Real love often does lead to pain and the rest of the film tries to ignore or paint over this ( the dreadful Andrew Lincoln segment).

Date: 2013-12-29 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
Well, she loved him (past tense). He betrayed her love. The resulting dilemma is left unresolved by the movie. Romantic, it ain't.

The problem with the Andrew Lincoln segment, and several of the other segments - the Colin FIrth segment and the little boy running through airport security segment in particular, but also most of the others - is that these are men making Grand Romantic Gestures that end in perfect warm fuzzies because this is a movie. In anything remotely realistic, it'd make the women scream, run away, and call the cops.
Edited Date: 2013-12-29 11:32 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-12-29 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surliminal.livejournal.com
Totally, with the Lincoln piece.

But that also pinpoints why a lot of us loathe Love Actually. It isnt about love - its about *romance* which is a brief state achieved by mainly very immature people now ridiculously extended in time and importance by mass media constructions.
(Here endeth the brief rant!)

Date: 2013-12-30 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
It's not even about romance, but about Movie Romance, which basically consists of creepy stalkers whose victims react in the way that only creepy stalkers dream of.

Date: 2013-12-29 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surliminal.livejournal.com
Also ps I really dont want to rewatch it! But from what I recall the Emma Thompson character is deeply hurt but she obviously still loves him. Or she wouldn't put up with it. And i think he loves her even though he knows how much he's hurting her and thats what makes it so fabulously bittersweet. In my experience people do not just stop loving someone because they misbehave; not fast anyway. Thats what I meant about love not being = what you deserve.

Date: 2013-12-29 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surliminal.livejournal.com
And. Pps having read the blogs now, I had forgotten the Martin Freeman porn stars segemt - that really was both charming and convincing ( and very much how the Bitish start a relationship, with enormous difficulty)

Date: 2013-12-30 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
It's not clear if she's going to put up with it or not. The closing segment suggests that their marriage is intact - for the moment; it's only a month later - but already dead.

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