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An early-term report on the new tv shows I've tried watching this fall:

Ringer. Sarah Michelle Gellar, looking not much older than she did at the end of BTVS, plays two identical twin sisters, one of whom is impersonating the other. This is not a premise for a stable ongoing series, but for a plot-driven, end-oriented miniseries, and after some eight episodes, I'm still not sure which it's going to be. The plot keeps getting more convoluted each week, which almost keeps my mind off the inconsistencies and unaddressed questions of exactly how alike in appearance or personality the two sisters are supposed to be, and whether it's implausible that people like, oh, say, the impostee's husband aren't going to notice the switch, whether the fact that he didn't know his wife had a twin sister makes any difference, and whether that changes when he finds out she does. The fact that SMG is one of those "all her characters are essentially the same person" actors doesn't help, though she's not as far out of her depth as Eliza Dushku was in Dollhouse. Watching the impostor, who's supposed to be the bad sister but is really the good one, taking blame for and trying to repair the wrecked personal life of the impostee (which she didn't know about when she took the job) is potentially interesting, and so far the plot twists and multiple levels of deception are keeping me hooked. To date, neither sister has gotten mixed up about who she's supposed to be (the impostee is hiding out and impersonating someone else altogether), which they would do if Donald E. Westlake had been writing this.

Once Upon a Time. Small town in Maine is inhabited (entirely? apparently so) by fairy tale characters who've been sent there and had their minds wiped by evil queen, who's seen doing this extensively, and tediously, in lengthy flashbacks. Their designated outside rescuer is an incongruously slutty-looking (and -dressing) woman who learns she is the daughter of Snow White and Prince Charming, spirited away at birth just before the disaster, and dragged in to the plot by her own ten-year-old son, given up at birth and adopted by the evil queen, now posing as the mayor of the town. Like Ringer, this is a miniseries concept, not an ongoing one, because the only plot drive is, when are the characters going to find out they're fairy tale creatures and when is Ms. Shrek going to save them from the swamp? Note also that Ringer has a high concept expressible in eleven words, a proper length for a high concept, while to explain this one took eighty words, not counting the snide comments. I liked the first episode, but halfway through the second episode the arbitrary fairy-tale rules and the "hey, I'm emoting here" acting got to be too much and I abruptly stopped, leaving many unanswered questions. Like: If they've all been in Maine for thirty years and nobody's aged, hasn't someone noticed this? Hasn't anybody moved in or out of town? How can there be children? The protagonist boy has aged from birth to ten while living there, so how does he fit in? And above all, if the evil mayor/queen doesn't know that Ms. Shrek/Slut is Snow White's daughter or indeed anybody special at all, why did she adopt her son and bring him in from outside? It seems a strange thing for a monomaniacal villain to do.

Grimm. More secret supernatural, except this one really is the premise for an ongoing series. Portland (OR) cop learns he is mystically-chosen slayer of - I'm not quite sure what - werewolves, apparently. Concocted by former Whedon minions, so unsurprisingly feels a lot like Buffy. You've got the protagonist who apparently should have learned his destiny long ago and is now desperately trying to catch up. You've got the Giles mentor figure (his aged, dying aunt); you've got the Angel figure of the reformed monster who provides expository lumps; you've got the Scoobie buddy; you've got lots of local color from the setting. Above all, even more clearly than in Buffy, you've got a world simply infested with evil inhuman creatures who pass as ordinary people, and our misunderstood hero is just about the only person who can reliably unmask them, confidently penetrating their firm and otherwise convincing denials, or even sometimes their unawareness, that they are actually agents of evil. Does this premise remind anyone else of the attitude of Commie-hunters in the Joe McCarthy days? Nevertheless, I've enjoyed the two episodes I've seen so far, and will probably continue watching at least until [livejournal.com profile] davidlevine makes his cameo appearance.

Date: 2011-11-11 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barondave.livejournal.com
Carole and I are going to give Once Upon A Time one more episode before giving up, as the most recent episode was the best of the lot. Which isn't saying much. The only believable character (and I use the term advisedly) is Rumplestiltskin, who's over-the-top acting at least takes the show from Survivor: Neverland to disbelief-suspending cartoon.

We both like Grimm better, a sort of character-driven Night Stalker with slightly classier monsters. Not there yet.

Ringer and several others which haven't been cancelled (yet) didn't even look good enough to check out. So far, the new shows this season have disappointed. I like Pan Am (though Carole doesn't) and she likes A Gifted Man (though I don't), and we both like Person of Interest but not that much (JJ Abrams is going to disappoint eventually, I can feel it).

Date: 2011-11-11 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
Some other reviewer pointed out that since Rumplestilkstin is 1) maniacally covetous; 2) becomes in the Maine setting a) the wealthiest man in town who b) owns literally everything and c) is named Gold, he is a caricature of a Jew. Not sure how I feel about that.

Date: 2011-11-11 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barondave.livejournal.com
Actually, given the Maine setting, the supernatural plot elements and the four-letter name, who came to my mind was Stephen King.

If Rumpy is Jewish, that means the Evil Queen is Christian. Somehow, I don't see either of those factors. Jews aren't known for their spinning ability and Christians aren't known for casting spells (that work).

Date: 2011-11-11 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
Jews have had antagonist problems with others besides Christians.

Date: 2011-11-11 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whswhs.livejournal.com
You know, I enjoyed Dollhouse, but it was clear that all the actors playing the other actives were just better than Dushku, and that hurt my suspension of disbelief. It was especially bad when Echo's personality was not a synthetic, but the memories of a wealthy woman with adult children, as Dushku just didn't give the sense of being a woman around fifty, or of being someone who knew those other people and was trying not to reveal it.

Date: 2011-11-11 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
I agree. It was particularly distressing because, in a better-chosen role, Dushku is a fine actress (she was even still believable in the seventh season when Faith behaves completely out of character), and because, up until then, one thing you could always count on in a Whedon show was consistently superb casting.

Date: 2011-11-11 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shelleybear.livejournal.com
"Grim" loses out to "Fringe" and "Supernatural".
Hey, they want my business, run it at a different time.

Date: 2011-11-11 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
We watch time-shifted on one of those tivo-type gadgets. Considering the vast number of commercials there are to skip over, I wouldn't have it any other way.

Date: 2011-11-11 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shelleybear.livejournal.com
Can a TIVO do 2 at once?

Date: 2011-11-11 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
What we have is a DVR (I forgot the name earlier), and it says it can record up to 4 at once. We've only proven this up to 2.

Date: 2011-11-12 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wild-patience.livejournal.com
3, dear. I've recorded 3 shows at the same time.

Date: 2011-11-11 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
Also, you can record show X while simultaneously watching show Y, something we occasionally did back when all we had was a VCR.

Date: 2011-11-12 11:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smofbabe.livejournal.com
Stephen says Grimm *is* Supernatural :->

Date: 2011-11-11 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sturgeonslawyer.livejournal.com
Haven't seen Ringer.

The adoption in OuaT was (semi-)explained at the end of the second episode. Evil Queen wanted _a_ child and Rumpelstiltskin provided this one. Why he would do that is another question. Grimm is definitely the better thought-out of the two, but I like OuaT better: it isn't as, well, grim. OuaT has growth potential, as, I presume, does Grimm. (Note that they got rid of the "Giles figure" pretty quickly.)

Date: 2011-11-12 08:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
Well, Rump had previously shown interest in Emma, so if he procured Henry that makes sense to me. What this leaves unanswered is why Regina wanted any old adopted child at all.

OUat seemed pretty grim to me, with the queen ranting maniacally all the time, in both guises. Some of the characters in Grimm are slightly light-hearted in a way that OUat doesn't have at all.

Date: 2011-11-12 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smofbabe.livejournal.com
Once Upon a Time is actually growing on me. As for your questions about characters not noticing that no one is aging or moving in and out, I figure that the curse would pretty much require that they have selective amnesia about that sort of thing. Regarding why the Mayor/Queen has Henry, the impression I have is that she just wanted a child as someone to love and Rumplestiltskin/Gold got her one. The real question, I think, is how much *he* knows.

Date: 2011-11-13 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
"Selective amnesia" on that level can work as a story if the writers play with it. A lot of the second and third seasons of Buffy were focused on the cognitive dissonance of the townspeople continuing to deny the existence of vampires and demons as they became more obvious and blatant.

If it's just left as a way to paper over the holes in the story, then no.
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