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"We know of no spectacle so ridiculous as the British public in one of its periodical fits of morality." - T.B. Macaulay

I'm beginning to be reminded of that by some of the reactions to the scandal regarding last year's Hugos. No question that it was very badly run and all sorts of rules both written and implied were violated. The question at hand is, Now what do we do about it?

Here's a proposal that makes me wonder. The author sweepingly denounces
the cartel of self-proclaimed "SMOFs" (secret masters of fandom) who treat the Hugos - and Worldcon more broadly - as their birthright, playground and personal fiefdom. The Hugo Awards are supposed to be democratic in nature and process; the behavior of the self-proclaimed "SMOFs" is fundamentally anti-democratic - and this is by no means confined to Chengdu Worldcon.
Note that last clause in particular. That being the author's belief, why is one of the proposals that
Individual Cons should no longer administer the Hugo Awards - this should be done by an independent, rotating committee.
Wouldn't that continuing committee be a "cartel" even more than having each convention run the Hugos separately? Sure, if it's rotating it wouldn't be the same people every year, but that's what we have now. There is an informal mass of people known as the permanent floating Worldcon committee, who keep turning up doing the job - and a good thing that often is: they have experience, they're not starting from scratch every year - but each Worldcon is a separate entity and has its own administration. That means that, a few specific overlapping individuals aside (and the relevant one has resigned), the upcoming Worldcons in Glasgow and Seattle are in no way complicit in or tainted by anything that was done by Chengdu. If we had a permanent Hugos committee, we'd lose that.

In any case, practice has been to hermetically seal off the Hugo subcommittee from the main Worldcon committee, for the purpose of protecting the main committee - which can be an awfully large number of people, with uncertainty as to which workers formally qualify as part of it and which don't - from the constitutional provision that those responsible for the Hugos are ineligible as candidates. The main committee can't make the Hugo administrators do anything. Whether Dave McCarty, the Chengdu administrator, accepted direction from above is unknown - we only have his e-mails to his subordinates - but, if so, that was his decision. And a permanent committee wouldn't have been immune to unwonted sensitivity to Chinese censorship.

The current situation is that each Worldcon appoints its own Hugo administrators. And these are either seasoned trusted experienced people who've done it before - which class included Dave McCarty until last month - or new people without any historical baggage, or, mostly these days, some of each. A continuing committee would have the same sort of people, because who else is there to do the job? And without being individually selected by the Worldcon committee, who would select them? Would the committee choose its own new members? Would the Worldcon Business Meeting? If we don't trust the Worldcons themselves to do it - they're selected by the members, who are the ultimate authority.

Perhaps it's clear, then, why I'm also dismayed by another proposal, which reads
No one involved in the administration of the 2023 Hugo Awards, or who assisted in the collection of political evidence, can ever be allowed to have any role in administering the awards ever again.
What exactly is the point of this stricture? It must be just to punish the specific individuals involved and to chill all future administrators with the threat of this very meek form of cancellation, because it can't be to keep maladministrators out of office. It's fallacious to think that only the people who did this, could have done it. Nobody would have suspected Dave McCarty of it until he did it. If someone else were in his place, maybe they would have done the same thing. Human fallibility isn't limited to identified miscreants, but it's convenient to identify a scapegoat and then think you've solved the problem.

I don't think any Worldcon is likely to appoint McCarty again, even without directives. Some of the lower flunkies were perhaps naive or ill-informed and not as responsible. My belief is that we should learn our lesson from this, as we did from the Puppies affair, and move on. A constitutional provision specifically prohibiting the erroneous acts of Chengdu couldn't hurt, but being aware that this flaw in administration could happen is the best way to prevent it from happening again.

Date: 2024-02-19 07:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] conuly
Did you intend to post this all in italics or did you forget to close that tag?

Also: good points, all.

Date: 2024-02-19 10:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sturgeonslawyer
My own thought is that the Hugo Awards have become big enough, and important enough, that WSFS should engage a respectable* and bonded firm like PwC or E&Y (who serve the Oscars and Emmys, respectively) to count the nominations and the votes.

This would, obviously, cost money. I can't think of a better use for the $40,000 handover fund from Chengdu that Glasgow rejected; it would "cleanse" the money nicely.

The requirements for nominating and voting need not change in any way shape or form...

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* Modulo, of course, some definition of "respectable" applicable to accounting firms...

Date: 2024-02-19 10:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sturgeonslawyer
Yes, that self-same PwC. Mistakes happen everywhere; the points are to (a) minimize mistakes, (b) put a permanent structure in place that is independent of the hosting city or country, (c) make the whole deal more "respectable" as the awards continue to become more respected outside of fandom. And other things I'm not thinking of right now.

Date: 2024-02-20 12:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sturgeonslawyer
McCarty did indeed make a mistake. Mistakes have, or should have, consequences. PwC immediately accepted responsibility, apologized to all involved, and fired the accountants responsible for the La La Land screwup.

Dave McCarty also has to face the consequences, first of his part in the censoring of the Hugoes, and second of his rather lame attempts to cover it up.

Mistakes are inevitable, never acceptable, and always forgivable if and only if the party who makes the mistake acknowledges it and accepts the consequences.

Well!

Date: 2024-02-20 10:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lsanderson
Found in today's NYTimes:

'Powerball Posted the Wrong Numbers. Now He’s Suing for $340 Million.
Powerball organizers in Washington, D.C., said they “mistakenly posted” winning numbers in January 2023. The holder of those numbers is suing for negligence and emotional distress.'

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/20/us/powerball-lottery-lawsuit.html

On Conrunning

Date: 2024-02-20 12:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lsanderson
I cannot imagine why so many people who have such brilliant suggestions on HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE, are never around when things actually need to be done. Granted it's been a couple of years since I helped run a con, but everybody with bright ideas seems to want you to run with their ideas after they did all the work coming up with them.
Edited Date: 2024-02-20 12:05 am (UTC)

Re: On Conrunning

Date: 2024-02-20 12:07 am (UTC)
sturgeonslawyer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sturgeonslawyer
Fair enough. I, personally, have never been involved in the running of a con or award (beyond a couple of years of doing Ook-Ook work at BayCons some decades ago): but the somewhat anarchic nature of fandom is that anyone is allowed, or even encouraged, to have an opinion and make suggestions.

I would certainly be willing to pay a few dollars more for my next WorldCon membership if those dollars went to a good answer to the Hugo conuncrum.

Date: 2024-02-20 12:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] voidampersand
You are talking sense. But sensible is not what most fans want. They want Someone In Charge to Take Care Of The Problem and make it never happened.

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