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calimac ([personal profile] calimac) wrote2015-12-03 03:07 pm

factual mistakes about The Lord of the Rings fostered by Jackson's movies

These are specific errors, not general falsities of spirit, and they have in common that people don't realize they're major changes from the book. When the movies omit Bombadil or the Scouring, or have Faramir threaten to seize the Ring or Frodo abandon Sam, viewers realize those are changes. But they fail to recognize that the following are not true of Tolkien's story:

1. That Sauron, at the time of the War, is a disembodied giant eyeball.

2. That Aragorn is reluctant to become king.

And the latest additions,

3a. That Smeagol is a different character from Gollum,

3b, and is basically good.

[identity profile] whswhs.livejournal.com 2015-12-04 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
I've been hearing about that last one lately. I took it as an obvious misinterpretation; I'm disturbed to learn that it's actually the interpretation that Jackson & Co. intended, as it's just glaringly wrong.

I had earlier heard that every elf has a personal gem like Arwen's that somehow grants them their Elf Nature.

But, you know, movies have been doing this forever and ever. Consider how many people know

1. That "Frankenstein" is the name of the creature.

2. That the creature was brought to life by electricity.

3a. That the creature was an inarticulate brute

3b. and was made so by having the brain of a criminal madman, giving him inborn criminal tendencies.

[identity profile] negothick.livejournal.com 2015-12-04 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
And those pictures do make a convincing case for the resemblance. . .it's striking.
Edited 2015-12-04 03:02 (UTC)

[identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com 2015-12-04 08:37 am (UTC)(link)
"But, you know, movies have been doing this forever and ever."

Oh, indeed. But, you know, that's no excuse for doing it again.

It has one upside: as a cautionary tale. When people respond to my complaints about the media colonization of Tolkien by saying that a movie can't bury a book, at least not a good one, I have two counter-examples, good books that have been buried by their movies, in the sense that, even though the book is available and supposedly widely read, few people know how it differs from the movie or how much, and are inevitably surprised when they find out. They are:

1) Frankenstein

2) The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (a book whose very title has been buried by its movie's)

[identity profile] whswhs.livejournal.com 2015-12-04 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is certainly another example, though it comes down mostly, as far as I can tell, to one single violation of premise: In the book Oz is a real place, not a dream like Wonderland. Of course there's the sheer goofiness, but from what I've read, Baum himself introduced a lot of sheer goofiness, both in the stage musical and in the 1910 film with Bebe Daniels. But the "Oz was a dream" rationale by itself is a major violation as far as I'm concerned.
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[identity profile] akicif.livejournal.com 2015-12-04 02:50 pm (UTC)(link)
3a can be easily fixed, though: Smeagol is a different persona than Gollum. I don't think anyone actually thinks they are two separate gorillas entities....

[identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com 2015-12-04 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
"I don't think anyone thinks they are two separate entities" - but Jackson and Walsh write as if they do.

The best we can say is that Jackson and Walsh consider Smeagol/Gollum a case of multiple personality disorder, except that (perhaps unusually) the personalities can talk to each other in real time.

That is, as you suggest, two different personae. But that doesn't fix the problem, because the problem is that, in Tolkien, they are not two different personae. Stephen Colbert, in his version of the same error, described the Ring as reaching out and "seizing Smeagol's heart," i.e. taking him over against his will. That's not what happened at all. Smeagol was susceptible to the Ring because he was already a greedy little bastard with all the seeds of the Gollum-to-be already in him.

Misunderstanding this is a frequent theme in Jackson. Jackson has stated that he can't understand why Faramir doesn't succumb to the Ring. It's because he has a purer heart and knows better than to be tempted. (This would not work for prolonged exposure, but Faramir has no more exposure to the Ring than Smeagol did before seizing it.)

Similarly, Jackson depicts pre-redemption Theoden as literally under a spell of Saruman's that controls his soul. Again, not in Tolkien: Theoden's own weakness had allowed himself to be lulled by Wormtongue. (Why is Wormtongue called that? Because he's twisty and sneaky of word, and capable of fooling the gullible.)
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[personal profile] andrewducker 2015-12-04 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
To be fair, I'd spout complete nonsense if I thought it would help someone get out from under a ridiculous court case.