class system
Sep. 20th, 2010 02:31 pmThe massive biography of Churchill by Roy Jenkins has been my bathroom reading for a while now, and on page 591 I find a passing comment that Churchill "was the most clearly upper-class Prime Minister since the end of Balfour's premiership thirty-five years before."
This citation of the fabled British class system seems a good point to kick off a consideration of whether the U.S. has a class system. This question usually receives one of two automatic answers, either "Of course it doesn't" or "Of course it does." Clearly there is some fundamental disagreement here.
ETA: Discussion in the comments leads me to clarify that by a "class system" is not meant the distinct but permeable socio-economic strata that exist everywhere and which in Marxist theory are called classes. When the question is asked, "Does the U.S. have a class system?", what spawns it is a look at a British or European class system. As
whswhs helpfully points out, these kind of classes are what in France are called the "estates", they are not easily permeable, and as for whether they exist in the U.S., read on.
Actually, the former is correct - we don't have one - and the reason the other answer is often given is that the U.S. is so totally and utterly lacking in a class system that most Americans have no idea what one looks like, and mistake other things for a class system, the same way that they mistakenly take Jefferson's "all men are created equal" to mean some kind of imposed identical regimen out of Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron.
Here are some things the U.S. has that are sort of like a class system, but aren't the same thing:
1. An ethnic/racial caste system. This is, if anything, even more toxic than a class system. It's present in Britain as well (check the history of the insult term wog). The difference is that the victims of such a caste system are perceived as outsiders, unwelcome invaders, while within a class system, the lower classes are looked down upon but are also vital and welcomed parts of the system. For an example without racial differences, compare how the 18th-century British intelligentsia, like Dr Johnson, considered the English poor with how they considered the Scots and Irish.
2. Aristocracies of wealth and fame. The difference between celebrity and a class system is that it has no permanence or even stability. Celebrities rise out of nowhere, and if they lose that wealth or fame, disappear almost as quickly. Celebrity has the smells of bewilderment - how'd I get here? I'm the same person I was when I was obscure - and of fear - if my next film tanks, will the glamor vanish? - about it. Upper class is secure: you're born that way, and even if you lose your money you stay that way, and it has nothing to do with being famous.
3. An old-boy network. This is the closest to a class system, because its advantages are often inherited (legacy college admissions) and it confers the stable insider status of an upper class, and where there is a class system it's often congruent with upper and upper-middle classes, but it's still different because it is more personal and not status-oriented. It requires not just unearned advantages but the ability to make friends and influence people.
So what made Winston Churchill upper-class? It wasn't his fame; film stars were famous but lowly tradesmen on the class system. It wasn't his wealth; Churchill was not well-off by upper-class standards, and had to work to earn his living: the proper upper-class income came as unearned rent from tenant farmers. But whatever happened to him economically, it didn't change his class status. This phenomenon was brought to my attention by an early biography of Tolkien. Tolkien's childhood was very short of money, but, it was explained, his family wasn't poor or working class but impoverished middle-class, a very different status.
For one thing, his mother scraped together enough money to send him to a good school, which the lower classes rarely did in those days. So we can ask of Churchill, did his upper-class status come from connections, an old-boy network? Not really. Churchill did attend a top private school, but he didn't do well there, made few lasting friends, and unlike most of his fellows destined for great things did not go on to university, but to a military academy. His arrival on the Parliamentary ladder was definitely assisted by his father having been a famous parliamentarian before him, but that only puts you on the ladder; it doesn't send you up further. Compare Churchill's steady rise and success in the 1905-15 Liberal government with the failure of his colleague Herbert Gladstone, despite the fact that Gladstone's filial resonance with the Liberals would be far greater than that of Churchill, whose father was their chief scourge. Churchill rose because he was a better politician than Herbert Gladstone, not because of who his father was. And Churchill's Prime Ministerial predecessors, Neville Chamberlain and Stanley Baldwin, were equally second-generation politicians who'd gotten started as their fathers' sons, but they weren't upper-class at all (nor were the Gladstones, for that matter).
What made Churchill upper-class was simply that he was the grandson of a Duke. His family was one of the most socially distinguished in Britain, and his grandfather the Duke owned the biggest private home in the country, Blenheim Palace. They weren't as wealthy as they used to be, but they had the smell of old money, and of old privilege.
We really don't have that kind of distinction in the U.S., and not just because the upper tier is cut off, as there is virtually nothing of British or other nobility here. The British upper class is more than the nobility, but having an old noble title in your family guarantees membership. (If nobility carried class status in the U.S., then a distinctive high place would be held by people like former senator Malcolm Wallop, who is the grandson of the Earl of Portsmouth, or A.J. Langer, the actress who played Rayanne on My So-Called Life, who married into the British nobility and is now in line to inherit the title of Countess of Devon. But these facts are just curiosities.) We do have old money in the U.S., and there is something of a social as well as economic cachet if your name is, say, Vanderbilt or Rockefeller, but there is no comparison with the extent or intensity of such cases in England in the past.
The real characteristic of a class system is that it has an almost racial lasting taint. I first realized this years ago in reading a book on 15th century English history. The Earls of Suffolk were descended from successful wool merchants who had been raised to the nobility, but because of that origin, the other nobility, who were landed gentry mostly dating back to the Conquest, looked down on them as jumped-up tradesmen for generations. This treatment and the Suffolks' resentment of it explains a lot about English history of the period.
I'll put it this way: During the 2000 Presidential campaign between Bush and Gore, there was a lot of discussion of how both candidates were the sons of successful politicians, and the question of how much they'd earned their successes and how much had been handed to them on a platter. Those are old-boy network questions. But I never saw anybody raise this point or consider any significance to it: that Bush's grandfathers were a Wall Street merchant banker and a major magazine publisher, while Gore's grandfathers were both Appalachian dirt farmers. If the U.S. had a class system, this would have been considered one of the major differences between them and worthy of significant discussion. It wasn't, so we don't.
This citation of the fabled British class system seems a good point to kick off a consideration of whether the U.S. has a class system. This question usually receives one of two automatic answers, either "Of course it doesn't" or "Of course it does." Clearly there is some fundamental disagreement here.
ETA: Discussion in the comments leads me to clarify that by a "class system" is not meant the distinct but permeable socio-economic strata that exist everywhere and which in Marxist theory are called classes. When the question is asked, "Does the U.S. have a class system?", what spawns it is a look at a British or European class system. As
Actually, the former is correct - we don't have one - and the reason the other answer is often given is that the U.S. is so totally and utterly lacking in a class system that most Americans have no idea what one looks like, and mistake other things for a class system, the same way that they mistakenly take Jefferson's "all men are created equal" to mean some kind of imposed identical regimen out of Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron.
Here are some things the U.S. has that are sort of like a class system, but aren't the same thing:
1. An ethnic/racial caste system. This is, if anything, even more toxic than a class system. It's present in Britain as well (check the history of the insult term wog). The difference is that the victims of such a caste system are perceived as outsiders, unwelcome invaders, while within a class system, the lower classes are looked down upon but are also vital and welcomed parts of the system. For an example without racial differences, compare how the 18th-century British intelligentsia, like Dr Johnson, considered the English poor with how they considered the Scots and Irish.
2. Aristocracies of wealth and fame. The difference between celebrity and a class system is that it has no permanence or even stability. Celebrities rise out of nowhere, and if they lose that wealth or fame, disappear almost as quickly. Celebrity has the smells of bewilderment - how'd I get here? I'm the same person I was when I was obscure - and of fear - if my next film tanks, will the glamor vanish? - about it. Upper class is secure: you're born that way, and even if you lose your money you stay that way, and it has nothing to do with being famous.
3. An old-boy network. This is the closest to a class system, because its advantages are often inherited (legacy college admissions) and it confers the stable insider status of an upper class, and where there is a class system it's often congruent with upper and upper-middle classes, but it's still different because it is more personal and not status-oriented. It requires not just unearned advantages but the ability to make friends and influence people.
So what made Winston Churchill upper-class? It wasn't his fame; film stars were famous but lowly tradesmen on the class system. It wasn't his wealth; Churchill was not well-off by upper-class standards, and had to work to earn his living: the proper upper-class income came as unearned rent from tenant farmers. But whatever happened to him economically, it didn't change his class status. This phenomenon was brought to my attention by an early biography of Tolkien. Tolkien's childhood was very short of money, but, it was explained, his family wasn't poor or working class but impoverished middle-class, a very different status.
For one thing, his mother scraped together enough money to send him to a good school, which the lower classes rarely did in those days. So we can ask of Churchill, did his upper-class status come from connections, an old-boy network? Not really. Churchill did attend a top private school, but he didn't do well there, made few lasting friends, and unlike most of his fellows destined for great things did not go on to university, but to a military academy. His arrival on the Parliamentary ladder was definitely assisted by his father having been a famous parliamentarian before him, but that only puts you on the ladder; it doesn't send you up further. Compare Churchill's steady rise and success in the 1905-15 Liberal government with the failure of his colleague Herbert Gladstone, despite the fact that Gladstone's filial resonance with the Liberals would be far greater than that of Churchill, whose father was their chief scourge. Churchill rose because he was a better politician than Herbert Gladstone, not because of who his father was. And Churchill's Prime Ministerial predecessors, Neville Chamberlain and Stanley Baldwin, were equally second-generation politicians who'd gotten started as their fathers' sons, but they weren't upper-class at all (nor were the Gladstones, for that matter).
What made Churchill upper-class was simply that he was the grandson of a Duke. His family was one of the most socially distinguished in Britain, and his grandfather the Duke owned the biggest private home in the country, Blenheim Palace. They weren't as wealthy as they used to be, but they had the smell of old money, and of old privilege.
We really don't have that kind of distinction in the U.S., and not just because the upper tier is cut off, as there is virtually nothing of British or other nobility here. The British upper class is more than the nobility, but having an old noble title in your family guarantees membership. (If nobility carried class status in the U.S., then a distinctive high place would be held by people like former senator Malcolm Wallop, who is the grandson of the Earl of Portsmouth, or A.J. Langer, the actress who played Rayanne on My So-Called Life, who married into the British nobility and is now in line to inherit the title of Countess of Devon. But these facts are just curiosities.) We do have old money in the U.S., and there is something of a social as well as economic cachet if your name is, say, Vanderbilt or Rockefeller, but there is no comparison with the extent or intensity of such cases in England in the past.
The real characteristic of a class system is that it has an almost racial lasting taint. I first realized this years ago in reading a book on 15th century English history. The Earls of Suffolk were descended from successful wool merchants who had been raised to the nobility, but because of that origin, the other nobility, who were landed gentry mostly dating back to the Conquest, looked down on them as jumped-up tradesmen for generations. This treatment and the Suffolks' resentment of it explains a lot about English history of the period.
I'll put it this way: During the 2000 Presidential campaign between Bush and Gore, there was a lot of discussion of how both candidates were the sons of successful politicians, and the question of how much they'd earned their successes and how much had been handed to them on a platter. Those are old-boy network questions. But I never saw anybody raise this point or consider any significance to it: that Bush's grandfathers were a Wall Street merchant banker and a major magazine publisher, while Gore's grandfathers were both Appalachian dirt farmers. If the U.S. had a class system, this would have been considered one of the major differences between them and worthy of significant discussion. It wasn't, so we don't.
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Date: 2010-09-20 09:42 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-09-20 09:50 pm (UTC)I see the United States as having roughly five significant socioeconomic groups with different interests: 1. civil service employees, academics, and employees of nonprofits; 2. employees of large corporate businesses; 3. self-employed people and small business owners; 4. employees of small businesses; 5. people dependent on the social safety net, such as it is. The main current political divide in the United States looks to be 3 and 4 against 1, 2, and 5. But I won't ask you to call that "class" if you don't want to.
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Date: 2010-09-20 09:54 pm (UTC)So, in the medieval system, the granting of a title of nobility more confirmed upper-class status than conferred it. Even as late as the 19th century, when titles of nobility had become more of a social cachet and lost their feudal significance, people would occasionally turn down the offer of a title on the grounds that they didn't have the money to support the lifestyle associated with the nobility.
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Date: 2010-09-20 09:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-20 10:00 pm (UTC)Meh. If the U.S. had a class system as rigid as that in the UK, perhaps. That classes are more permeable over time doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Date: 2010-09-20 10:27 pm (UTC)These classes were formed and are now enforced by different processes from those in Great Britain, to the extent that it's not clear to me whether we have a class system. But if you're saying there aren't different social classes, I've got approximately five miles of shelving in the economics, history, public health, and politics sections of a large university library to point you to. Or just try the card catalog.
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Date: 2010-09-20 10:32 pm (UTC)At least when one speaks of the French ancien régime, the usual term for what you're talking about seems to be "estate." That term even has English precedents:
The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate,
God made them high and lowly,
And ordered their estate.
It might convey your intended meaning more accurately.
The closest thing the United States has to a system of "estates" seems to be legacy admissions at certain (often highly regarded) universities. There is a significant element of hereditary privilege there, though diluted by the ability of nonlegacy students to get in.
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Date: 2010-09-20 10:46 pm (UTC)I believe we have social _classes_ that are related to but not 100% congruent with socio-economic strata, classes that are defined by attitudes, culture, etc. My citation is in no way a red herring.
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Date: 2010-09-20 10:53 pm (UTC)Please see #3 under my list of "things the U.S. has that are sort of like a class system, but aren't the same thing" for legacy admissions.
However, the British system is not a two-valued one of aristocracy vs. commoners. There are various levels, some of great subtlety, and even at minimum there are three, what was formerly called the tradesmen class and is now the middle class being between the gentry (itself a multi-level class including, but not limited to, the aristocracy) and the working class.
Also, in British usage "commoner" is a technical term, including everyone who is not royalty nor nobility. That includes much of the aristocracy as well. So you can divide the upper class this way, from top level down:
1. Royalty
2. Nobility
3. Aristocracy who are not nobility
4. Gentry who are not aristocracy
Groups 3-4 of these are commoners. Even some people with the title "Lord" are commoners.
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Date: 2010-09-20 10:54 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-09-20 11:00 pm (UTC)We have people who are richer or more powerful than other people. My point is, indeed, exactly that this doesn't constitute a class system.
Because I thought you were arguing against the existence of social and economic classes, I was attempting to point toward a large body of documentation of their existence.
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Date: 2010-09-21 02:06 am (UTC)However, there are legal effects. For instance, before the early 20C, Members of Parliament were not paid. This made it practically impossible for anyone below the level of gentry to serve, though there were no laws preventing them.
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Date: 2010-09-21 02:33 am (UTC)Certainly, class systems are culture-bound, but they all tend to function similarly: to reinforce existing social and power structures within and between cultures. So while it's reasonably fair to say that the British system of "estates" is not found in the US, it performs similar functions as "class" does in US culture. They simply happen to use entirely different criteria for membership. For that matter, it's entirely possible for a Dalit to be a millionaire (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/may/06/india.ameliagentleman), further illustrating how different the criteria can be in different cultures.
So I find myself puzzled by your assertion, unless I am misreading you, and you are in fact attempting to say "the form of class system found in Britain referred to here as 'estate' is different from the ones found in the USA." Which, well, yes... viz. Different Cultures, Therefore Different Rules.
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Date: 2010-09-21 02:45 am (UTC)But I think your emphasis on hereditary descent as essential to class might not be the right place to draw the line. It's possible to have legally marked class distinctions, which carry differences of rights and duties, but which are not rigidly hereditary. Consider Rome, where a freedman's son was a citizen, a citizen could become a knight, and, less often, a knight or even a citizen could become a senator. The basic requirement for senatorial or equestrian status was simply possession of a designated level of wealth; in the case of senators, actual senatorial status came with election to the lowest of a series of magistracies, the cursus honorum. Change of social standing was built into the Roman system. But the state still made distinctions among people at different levels.
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Date: 2010-09-21 03:13 am (UTC)And in fact, that requirement of personal wealth is far from universal, even now. Meg Whitmans who run on their own wealth are relatively uncommon; borrowing is somewhat more so, but more for small-scale than large-scale campaigns, because you can't borrow that much money if you're not rich; many candidates run on infused donations from outside campaign committees which invest in their candidacies.
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Date: 2010-09-21 03:23 am (UTC)In the US, we seem to care deeply about people's racial and ethnic background, but that aside, we don't care about their grandfather's socio-economic status. The British do, or did. That's the difference. You may find that trivial, but please note that I never said we don't differentially value people. This is all about bases for that value that are beyond the control of the individual.
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Date: 2010-09-21 05:42 am (UTC)I'm confused by all this. It sounds as if you were arguing in a circle in some way.
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Date: 2010-09-21 06:04 am (UTC)2) Anyone who did own sufficient property to live on rents was pretty likely to be gentry already.
3) The tradition that only gentry served in Parliament was strong enough that there was something vaguely unseemly about lower classes even running.
3) Nevertheless, especially towards the end of the 19th century, a number began to manage it. Lawyers, whose time was more flexible and more geared to parliamentary hours than that of other professionals. Some businessmen in a large enough way that they either could pay to have their factories run without them, or who had retired. The earliest Labour members lived on group subventions from their supporters.
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Date: 2010-09-21 03:35 pm (UTC)That is another indicator that family heritage in and of itself does not retain "status" in America, particularly if succeeding generations do, comparatively, nothing. There is name recognition, but no special status.
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Date: 2010-09-21 04:31 pm (UTC)Although my parents were born outside the United States, I was born here (in Michigan) and always felt my upbringing was thoroughly American. But I think some "class" issues affected some of the family atmosphere in some way. But not in ways that fit any of your definitions.
Some family history to explain what I see:
My father had a "mixed" background: his father was born in Michigan, the son of a minister/small farmer. Grandpa went West in Canada, and began a career in the petroleum industry: he did well enough to live comfortably, and sent my father to college during the Depression. My grandmother seems to have come from an upper middle class Canadian background, but believed her ancestors were lower nobility. I got the impression that my grandfather was amused by this belief, but didn't really care if it was true or not (how very American of him!), since it was my grandmother he loved, not her heritage.
However, my grandmother's belief affected her demeanor, how she carried herself and how she behaved toward other people. I suppose I could call her attitude one of noblesse oblige with an emphasis o the obligation (to be courteous to others, it's just proper).
My mother's side was Scottish. I don't know much about her mother, except that she had come directly from Scotland. My grandfather was from Nova Scotia, also a minister, of modest/middle class background, I think. He did his ministry in Trinidad, and as a white pastor in a largely black society, his position had a degree of social status. My mother went to boarding school in Nova Scotia, she went to college (unusual in her generation), and returned to Trinidad after graduation (where my parents met). But one of the things about their position in Trinidad was that there were some household servants.
Anyway... the point of explaining that background is this: when I was growing up, I evaluated our "social position" as modestly upper middle class. My father was frugal and a good steward of his money, so there was hardly ever extravagant spending. He did all the maintainence around the house (rarely did he call plumbers, but did things like snaking the line himself). He painted the house himself every couple of years. He weighed the cost of everything carefully and chose the most balanced way forward (expense versus purpose of expenditure - sometimes enjoyment was a consideration, and so we would go to a fancy restaurant, that sort of thing). So MY perception of "class" issues socially was entirely economical. And I was always aware that that could be fluid, so those who were poorer than us were just that: poorer monetarily, and therefore not to be scorned - one could end up there easily oneself. However, the inherited social demeanor from both sides apparently created "social graces" that many perceive to belong as "upper class".
This long explanation is background: I've had two very different people tell me that they perceived me as being "upper class". I think, mostly on the grounds of demeanor. One of them (someone I knew in childhood) was indeed from a poorer family and considered us to be well-off. (I put it down to my father's frugality and good stewardship.) The other considered my behavior to be aristocratic. My reaction was "Huh?" I knew my father's frugality (there were things that were not purchased because we couldn't afford them). So to be considered well-off struck me as incongruous. Yet, there is something that apparently set us off from others.
This leads me to think that Americans are not drawn to "class" the way, for instance, European societies have been structured. But rather there is a combination of celebrity (based, mostly, on some form of "having done something" -- although that still doesn't explain Paris Hilton) and elitism. But Americans are not really very comfortable with elitism, even though we're constantly creating new sorts of "Elites". I think that discomfort is because the elitism is NOT based on the "traditional" evaluations of aristocracy - birth and wealth, easy to peg.
This is a rambling consideration, sorry. Just my musings off the top of my head.
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Date: 2010-09-21 04:55 pm (UTC)If your family had been upper class, your father wouldn't have done his own repairs. Belloc:
Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
It is the business of the wealthy man
To give employment to the artisan.
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Date: 2010-09-21 06:27 pm (UTC):D
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